My water ionizer delivers the desired pH and redox values, but hardly any dissolved molecular hydrogen
Hello Mr. Asenbaum,
Unfortunately I have with the freshly bought ones H2 Blue Kit drops cannot determine hydrogen content.
Why is that?
The Titanion SE Ultra was freshly decalcified and was bottled at pH 9 and 1,4 liters.
The redox value was over -500mV or even -600mV, I have many measuring devices because I use alkaline water for testing purposes in my company, and all 3 showed the same thing. Ph value was closer to 9,5 in all measurements.
I look forward to your feedback
All the best
Roland D.
Titanion SE water ionizerAnswer from Karl Heinz Asenbaum | Freshly decalcified, the water ionizer delivers high hydrogen concentrations
Hello Mr. D.,
yes, these results are correct. At least that's what I can say about the pot devices. The Titanion SE Ultra would have to deliver a lot more, unless it is calcified. Unfortunately I don't have one anymore and can't tell you exactly what it does, but when used correctly it's certainly at least 1,2 ppm dH2.
To explain, I assume you can speak English, here is Tyler Le Baron's very good explanation of this phenomenon of a divergence between redox value and hydrogen value, which he sent to me by email. Please do not publish.
I wrote to him first. :I used an Aquator batch ionizer from Lithunia because a potential client wanted to know how much dH2 can be produced with this device that goes back to the Soviet Research Team of Prof. Alyokhin and is optimized to produce extremely low ORP. In the production process temperature was elevated from 16 to 22 C degrees. (The device works with 110 V DC. Prefiltered Tap water Munich was used)
* The result was indeed a very low ORP – 761 mV (CSE) at a pH of 9.8.
* dH2 with H2 blue was 0,2 ppm
He replied: It only takes maybe 0.05 ppm to get a very negative ORP…Especially if the water is alkaline. In fact, with water ionizers I have seen that you can have a 0.05 ppm, pH 10 and ORP is -780 mV, but then after cleaning the machine (which helps the H2 to dissolve better), the pH still went to 10, the ORP -780 mV, but the dH2 at 1.2 ppm.
In normal water you only have around 0.0000001 ppm, so if you increase the H2 concentration by 1 MILLION times, then you will get 0.1 ppm and your ORP will go from +200 mV to -500 mV (for example), now, if you increase the H2 concentration ONLY ten times to 1.0 ppm, you are going to have nearly the same ORP. A change of only ten, is a lot smaller than a million. Plus the ORP value is also logarithmic, so very small changes in actual concentrations and ratios result in very large changes in the value.
So this is why a negative ORP cannot be used to estimate the concentration of hydrogen. If you have a high negative ORP you have no idea what concentration of H2 there is, it could be low or high. However, you will NEVER have a high concentration of H2, with a small or positive ORP reading (as long as it is pure water and not dH2 water with other oxidizing chemicals that can make the value positive).
I hope this helps enlighten you. The newer ionizers with improved electrode surfaces such as our Aquavolta Moses or Aquavolta ECA Tractor produce significantly more hydrogen than the old flat or mesh electrodes. Up to 2,9 ppm is possible. Always provided that the device is not calcified.
With kind regards,
Karl Heinz Asenbaum
www.quantomed.com
Communication with Yasin Akgün about descaling water ionizers
Hello Mr Akgün,
The Titanion operating instructions state that you should leave strongly acidic water in the device to descale the device.
Alternatively, if there is a lot of limescale, you can fill the device with vinegar water.
Since the PH value and redox were always OK, I previously thought that this was enough.
Mr. Asenbaum has now advised me that Descaling with citric acid, in circulation with a separate pump.
I'll try it that way, but I still have to get a suitable pump.
With kind regards,
Roland D.
